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Sunday, December 30, 2012
Is there a problem of counterfactual philosophers?
by Massimo Pigliucci
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counterfactuals,
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My sense of it is that more than a few philosophers make the perfect the enemy of the good. E.g., take some reasonable statement, like "science should generally be trusted and pseudoscience should not be because science has features that increase its reliability, such as testing, documentation, reliance on natural laws, etc.", misconstrue this as some kind of attempt at an absolutely universal generalization, lazily propose some extremely debatable half-baked counterfactuals that seem to contradict this alleged universal generalization, declare science indistinguishable from pseudoscience, then go home and pop open a beer, pleased with a good day's work. Obviously this is a caricature, but I think it is disturbingly common with some philosophers.
ReplyDelete"may even at times sound like a Monty Python version of what a philosophy talk is like..."
ReplyDeleteHear, hear! Well spoken, Bruce!
(sorry, couldn't resist)
I feel like I have to take an obnoxious position in this sort of situation and ask: "Where's the utility?" Specifically, if you acknowledge that you could be an argument that defeats your position on some topic, what do you gain by thinking of a backstory to that argument involving a counterfactual philosopher?
ReplyDeleteI actually understand the suggestion that we don't need quarks much better: It seems to me to be a question about mathematics and human psychology: could we have come up with an isomorphic mathematical description of reality (and appropriate interpretation thereof) without the use of certain concepts?
But I don't see why the question "What if someone existed who found a counterargument?" is better than "What if there is a counterargument?" Saying that there are a lot of possible people who could find a defeater is not much different from saying that there are a lot of possibly true statements that would defeat your position if they did turn out to be true. Which is to say, you have a very low chance of just guessing the correct position on a complex issues with our any thought. It's not so much a new reason to doubt philosophy, as the very reason it exists!
Nick,
ReplyDelete> My sense of it is that more than a few philosophers make the perfect the enemy of the good. <
Maybe. But philosophy is about making distinctions and reflecting on their meanings and implications. Sometimes the quest goes nowhere, at other times it takes wrong ends. But something like that could be said of science itself, or of any intellectual activity, really.
Sean,
> I actually understand the suggestion that we don't need quarks much better <
Yes, I agree there.
> Where's the utility? <
I’m a bit weary of using that trump card, since we can argue about what you mean by “utility,” and I could show you that under a reasonable concept of utility a large percentage of science falls under the category of useless... ;-)
> Saying that there are a lot of possible people who could find a defeater is not much different from saying that there are a lot of possibly true statements that would defeat your position if they did turn out to be true. <
Yes, perhaps it’s simply a colorful (and even tongue in cheek!) way of posing that question. You’d be surprised, however, how interesting the follow up discussion was at the session, including consideration of an adaptive landscape of philosophical positions in logical space, with high or low fitness; how philosophy moves within that landscape; and what the structure of said landscape could be.
Is it counterfactual then to argue that philosophy after all may both have and serve a purpose?
ReplyDelete"I’m a bit weary of using that trump card, since we can argue about what you mean by “utility,” and I could show you that under a reasonable concept of utility a large percentage of science falls under the category of useless... ;-)"
ReplyDeleteOh, I know. I knew it would come off a bit wrong, but I didn't know quite how to express what I meant.
What I meant is not so much "I don't see the point of this line of thought." as "I don't see what Ballantyne thought was the point of raising this as if it was a distinct question." From your summary, it seemed to be re-raising an old epistemic question in a more provocative way, which may have been the point after all. Pedagogical utility, perhaps.
Baron,
ReplyDeleteyou really need to see a doctor about your fixation with purpose... But the short answer is: not all counterfactuals make for good arguments. Indeed, most of them don't.
Sean,
yes, I do share your sentiment on this one. Indeed, I asked Ballantyne the "so what?" question at the session. He seems interested in this as an argument for increased epistemic humility without having to slide all the way into downright skepticism. Well, we could all use some more epistemic humility! Cheers!
Would that be a Doctor of Philosophy? I could name one or two of them that I've consulted who turned out to have the same or very similar fixation.
ReplyDeleteIt seems that Ballantyne is being unnecessarily complicating the simple idea that we need to be humble.
ReplyDeleteOne way to think about is though is believing that counter-factuals are real because we live in a multiverse (I do). So there are certain counter-factuals that are allowed at each Tegmark level. For example, 2 apples + 2 apples would give you 4 apples in all other Tegmark level I universe so it doesn't matter much what their philosophers have to say about that because they won't say anything differently than our philosophers do.
> Ballantyne is being unnecessarily complicating the simple idea that we need to be humble. <
DeleteWell, maybe. But he is trying to give an *argument* for epistemic humility, as opposed to just being pious about it.
What would the world be like if there weren't any counterfactual philosophers?
ReplyDeletei thought it was a ionesco play.....
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