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So, we were talking about an interesting article by University of Waterloo philosopher Paul Thagard, about what he sees (and I largely agree) as eleven dogmas of modern analytic philosophy. As you may recall, I’m interested in this within the context of a broader project I am pursuing about the nature of philosophy and whether the discipline makes progress over time (the thing will soon become a new book published by the University of Chicago Press). In particular, I’m with Thagard when he calls for moving forward from analytic (and, I would add, continental) philosophy to something he calls “natural philosophy” (a term with which I quibble, given its historical association with proto-science), basically the sort of philosophy that most people outside of a small cadre of hyper-specialist academics actually think of as “philosophy” anyway.
Very interesting article and blog post(s). I have two questions.
ReplyDeleteMy first question actually concerns the 1st dogma. By "theory construction", is the author referring to something different than what scientists are doing when they are devising theories? (You covered this in your previous post, but I think I can get away with it here anyway.)
My second question concerns the 10th dogma. How does this fit with mathematical Platonism? Aren't some of the best arguments for mathematical Platonism purely logical arguments? And don't they reveal features of the nature of reality (i.e. the independent existence of mathematical objects)?
Björn,
Delete> By "theory construction", is the author referring to something different than what scientists are doing when they are devising theories? <
It's not entirely clear. Analytical philosophy has always being "science-like," but obviously philosophical theories are not like scientific ones, in the sense that they rarely are subject to empirical tests (think of, for instance, Kripke style theories of meaning).
> the 10th dogma. How does this fit with mathematical Platonism? Aren't some of the best arguments for mathematical Platonism purely logical arguments? <
Yes, and I am sympathetic to those. I think the point is that one should not do metaphysics that ignores physics, but of course physics has nothing to say about the ontological status of mathematical (or any other abstract) object.
RE: theory construction. I took it to mean building theories from existing evidence and conceptual frameworks in the sciences. Something like Alva Noe has done with Embodied Cognition. Or Thomas Metzinger's work on the self. Or from the continental side of things, Manuel de Landa's work on complex systems.
DeleteWhether or not this is just science under another name, I'm not sure. Someone would have to really tease out what the difference is between Noe, Metzinger, de Landa, and other similar philosophical theory builders; and theory builders in science. Given the first and second dogma from Thagard's list, I think he wants philosophy to concentrate on the synthetic and creative side of science by playing to philosophy's strengths (taking concepts, arguments, and propositions from the sciences and creating new permutations and combinations of concepts).
Having been trained in analytic philosophy, and moving away from it toward Massimo's stance ever since,I found his comments quite helpful. But one complaint:"the old rationalist program in philosophy, going back to Plato." Maybe it goes back to early PlatonISM, but, as many Plato scholars are emphasizing today and recently, not to Plato himself. cf. "Philosophy in Dialogue: Plato's Many Devices" ed. Gary Alan Scott. To think that Plato's characters (esp. Socrates)present Plato's views is not quite as bad as thinking that Hamlet voices Shakespeare's own ideas . . . but close to it!
ReplyDeleteMy view is that the problems with modern philosophy are not such that you can simply say, we need to strike a balance or avoid focusing too much on a given kind of topic. Or for that matter simply expose a few unfortunate dogmas. (Eleven is rather a lot isn't it? Things have clearly deteriorated since Quine's two. Before long it may be thirty...)
ReplyDeleteThere's not the space to make the case here, but the gist of my thinking is that scientific developments have so radically changed the intellectual landscape that we need a new model entirely. (I am interested actually in what you had to say about structural realism and Ladyman and Ross. Maybe something like this could form the basis for a new model. I'm undecided.)
I have particular concerns about philosophers consciously or unconsciously pushing specific religious or political or moral agendas. (There is a place, of course, for informed, partisan discourse where the values involved are made explicit and so are open to scrutiny.)
Also, the wide range of disparate activities which go on under the umbrella of 'philosophy', do drain meaning from the term. 'Philosophy of ...' is still useful; but philosophy per se?
On the issue of whether science has something to say about the ontological status of mathematics, I have thought that mathematics could be materialized (de-Platonized) in a manner proposed by Jan Mycielski [ http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/30227216 ], which he calls "intentionalism".
ReplyDeleteDogma #7. “Reason is separate from emotion.”
ReplyDeleteMassimo, with all due respect, I think you relapsed back into being a scientist in your response to this one ;) This statement is so vague that no empirical evidence could possibly say anything about it. What is reason and what is emotion? And what could it mean for them to be "separate"? Whether or not reason and emotion are separate depends entirely on how philosophical refelction leads us to define 'reason', 'emotion', and 'separate'. It's essentially a word definition, i.e., philosophical, issue. To think neuroscience has defined these terms well enough to establish an empirical connection among them is absurd. Neuroscience might have working definitions of these terms, but the philosophical question of whether these definitions are correct remains.
Paul,
DeleteI disagree. Certainly there is a lot that philosophy has to say about both reason and emotions, but I really don't see why neurobiology, or even simple psychology, should be silent on the issue. There are many pertinent empirical studies on both phenomena (and their interactions) that a serious natural philosopher should really take into consideration.