tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post8329423629347544027..comments2023-10-10T08:02:18.073-04:00Comments on Rationally Speaking: Is there fundamental scientific disagreement about evolutionary theory?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-42886552569850781652011-03-05T13:41:34.773-05:002011-03-05T13:41:34.773-05:00What do evolutionary theory and evolutionary psych...What do evolutionary theory and evolutionary psychology have to say about morality?<br />Thank you<br /><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bradfallon" rel="nofollow">Brad Fallon</a>Ridhi Sharmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339008519840279206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-74090177399789663982008-08-11T07:22:00.000-04:002008-08-11T07:22:00.000-04:00Ravi,I don't think I suggested that reciprocal alt...Ravi,<BR/><BR/>I don't think I suggested that reciprocal altruism requires conscious awareness of the "game" on the part of the player. Neither, for that matter, does the Santos paper imply anything of the kind as far as diversity is concerned.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099460671669064269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-28230279991448690822008-08-11T07:20:00.000-04:002008-08-11T07:20:00.000-04:00Jonathan,thanks, the hawk-dove thing was badly phr...Jonathan,<BR/><BR/>thanks, the hawk-dove thing was badly phrased, I meant it as a classic example of game theory applied to biological problems, not as a study in cooperation, but the way it was put was definitely confusing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099460671669064269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-89585561124340994642008-07-19T13:42:00.000-04:002008-07-19T13:42:00.000-04:00I see that Larry Moran's uneducated troll Mats has...I see that Larry Moran's uneducated troll Mats has turned up to spread his "look ma, no brains!" inanities here. Poor guy. Wake me up when he gets around to explaining who designed his designer.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-81274571266027299572008-07-18T10:47:00.000-04:002008-07-18T10:47:00.000-04:00Thanks so much for the post. I will link it to my ...Thanks so much for the post. I will link it to my blog (a few days late).<BR/><BR/>The noun "Darwinist," adjective "Darwinist," and adjective "Darwinian" appear all over evolutionary writings (look at Dawkins and Gould) and the creationist/ID camp (Gish, Luskin, or Behe). But their contexts are different. Evolutionary scientists et al use it as for mechanistic purposes that emphasize natural selection while the IDers use it to put their opponents in a dogmatic frame.Peter Bucklandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06660306787777777265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-22762541836098778182008-07-11T19:12:00.000-04:002008-07-11T19:12:00.000-04:00Wow, Mats, I am impressed! You, sir, are a genius!...Wow, Mats, I am impressed! You, sir, are a genius! An argument from quotation as part of an equivocation used to make a strawman argument! Three, three logical fallacies in one! Ha, Ha, Ha, I love to count!Troythuluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05049366417814126101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-32561337371118775142008-07-11T08:14:00.000-04:002008-07-11T08:14:00.000-04:00Bronze Dog,"Evolution's also replicable in the lab...Bronze Dog,<BR/><B>"Evolution's also replicable in the lab and with artificial life analogs in computers."</B><BR/><BR/>Artificial life obviously is not an "analog" to darwinian nonsense, since in the evolutionary paradigm there is no inteligence ANYWHERE in the process. Artificial life is within the Intelligent DESIGN frame of work.Lucashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02515186017263921231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-31943396619405535212008-07-11T07:47:00.000-04:002008-07-11T07:47:00.000-04:00Nick et al.,yes, I plan on doing a short series of...Nick et al.,<BR/><BR/>yes, I plan on doing a short series of posts using my notes on the meeting. It has started (we are having lunch break on the first day now), and it is a very stimulating intellectual experience for sure.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099460671669064269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-12844057142744278332008-07-10T23:31:00.000-04:002008-07-10T23:31:00.000-04:00Hey Massimo, great post, and enjoy the trip to Aus...Hey Massimo, great post, and enjoy the trip to Austria, it sounds like it's gonna be grunchloads of fun. Just letting you know that I've recently added your blog to my newsfeed. In the past, I've found it a good source of info, among others, to keep up with the ever present cretinist/ID(iocy) crusade against science. It will probably never go away completely, considering that there are still astrologers and phrenologists, but at least they are being backed into the proverbial corner.Troythuluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05049366417814126101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-71957626198277030092008-07-10T23:30:00.000-04:002008-07-10T23:30:00.000-04:00Hi, BobpriorWow, $30-35, that's really good, thank...Hi, Bobprior<BR/><BR/>Wow, $30-35, that's really good, thanks for the info. Even my limbs are worth more than that! :-)<BR/><BR/>I mentioned that because such collections of articles or proceedings from small meetings, as far as I have seen them, tend to be quite pricey. "RNA World" and some Cold Spring Harbor stuff come to mind, for example.J. Marcelo Alveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09967299561849915314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-63593612489941015332008-07-10T11:51:00.000-04:002008-07-10T11:51:00.000-04:00Oh, gee, Mats, you don't read much, do you?Evoluti...Oh, gee, Mats, you don't read much, do you?<BR/><BR/>Evolution's undergoing changes. Just like Massimo said in the main post, Modern Synthesis resulted from integrating classic Darwin with population statistics.<BR/><BR/>Evolution's also replicable in the lab and with artificial life analogs in computers. Much, much more than the IDiot's camp have been able to come up with. They can't even reach an agreement on what to look for.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-10864113002417696442008-07-09T09:28:00.000-04:002008-07-09T09:28:00.000-04:00"But scientific theories never stay the same for l...<B>"But scientific theories never stay the same for long, because scientists discover new facts about the natural world, and they consequently update their theories."</B><BR/><BR/>Yes, that is how science works. what about evolution?Lucashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02515186017263921231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-40685861022266210202008-07-09T09:25:00.000-04:002008-07-09T09:25:00.000-04:00Carl," Let the people who want to invoke supernatu...Carl,<BR/><BR/><B>" Let the people who want to invoke supernatural explanations present a consistent supernatural description before trying to argue the science".</B><BR/><BR/>But they are not "arguing with science". They are arguing against the evolutionary fairy tale. Don't confuse testable, repeatable science with evolutionary magic, please.Lucashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02515186017263921231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-55608863771923446232008-07-08T22:28:00.001-04:002008-07-08T22:28:00.001-04:00As the publisher at MIT Press, I am definitely loo...As the publisher at MIT Press, I am definitely looking forward to making the results of this workshop available. One of the other comments raised the issue of price. We are planning on publishing this book with a price of US$30 - 35. I hope your arms and legs are worth more than that.bobpriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04064637825117876662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-51769737622973184342008-07-06T14:34:00.000-04:002008-07-06T14:34:00.000-04:00As a History of Science graduate student I could e...As a History of Science graduate student I could easily point that Darwinism is a term fully accepted and used by many prominent Darwinists such as the late Stephen Jay Gould.Enézio E. de Almeida Filhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12517878300175234830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-31954944114205977442008-07-06T07:37:00.000-04:002008-07-06T07:37:00.000-04:00Sounds a fascinating meeting - I'll look forward g...Sounds a fascinating meeting - I'll look forward greatly to the book! Any plans for a report available for interent discussion?<BR/><BR/>Nick GottsNick Gottshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12037533062720394685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-75472626615574677842008-07-06T05:59:00.000-04:002008-07-06T05:59:00.000-04:00When you tell the creationists to get their house ...When you tell the creationists to get their house in order first, I couldn't agree more. But it's not just the OEC versus YECs. It's Christian creationists versus Hindu creationists versus Islamic creationists versus Scientologists (who believe that the universe is tens of trillions of years old). Let the people who want to invoke supernatural explanations present a consistent supernatural description before trying to argue the science.CA Meijerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17035692116369427997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-82422545868564398202008-07-03T12:52:00.000-04:002008-07-03T12:52:00.000-04:00Nice post. You should check out my blog "Answers i...Nice post. You should check out my blog "Answers in Genesis Busted"<BR/><BR/>http://aigbusted.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>-RyanAIGBustedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03232781356086767207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-56011229931177904502008-07-03T07:09:00.000-04:002008-07-03T07:09:00.000-04:00Sheldon,my new collaborator, Phil Pollack, is a cl...Sheldon,<BR/><BR/>my new collaborator, Phil Pollack, is a close friend who has kindly been editing my posts for some time now, and has agreed to continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I doubt, however, he will publish posts of his own. Of course, this means that any mistakes in my writings are entirely his fault... :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099460671669064269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-52540696011884792092008-07-02T22:05:00.000-04:002008-07-02T22:05:00.000-04:00Really cool... I look forward to reading the proce...Really cool... I look forward to reading the proceedings (which I'm sure will cost an arm and a leg as these things go). <BR/><BR/>Auf Wiedersehen und bis bald! :-)J. Marcelo Alveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09967299561849915314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-17934721951832134142008-07-02T21:17:00.000-04:002008-07-02T21:17:00.000-04:00Oh yeah, I meant to ask. Who is your new blogging...Oh yeah, I meant to ask. Who is your new blogging partner, and when is he going to introduce himself?Sheldonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03743116454273042629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-88359163706189891932008-07-02T19:22:00.000-04:002008-07-02T19:22:00.000-04:00Valera,hmm, it depends, this particular one I can ...Valera,<BR/><BR/>hmm, it depends, this particular one I can tell you exactly, because I wrote it on the train on my way to work: less than an hour. But of course that doesn't count the background research, fact-checking and so on.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099460671669064269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1497075822094821202008-07-02T19:13:00.000-04:002008-07-02T19:13:00.000-04:00"See, current evolutionary theory is not “Darwinis..."See, current evolutionary theory is not “Darwinism,” pace creationists and IDers."<BR/><BR/>I am glad you brought this up, because I have been noticing something about this discourse on "Darwinism" from the ID-creationists. They put alot of emphasis on this term, "Darwinism", alot more so than scientist who actually study evolution. I think it is actually a clever rhetorical strategy to attempt to associate in the popular mind Darwin's name as a type of ideology. In fact they will imply that not only is it a name associated with a theory of evolution, but attempt to attach it to a philosophical world view and political ideology. Just as we place an "ism" behind any other term or name like Marxism, or Islamism, or capitalism etc.. <BR/><BR/>So we should really start becoming more aware that this emphasis on the term "Darwinism" is a rhetorical strategy by the IDer crowd.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, so its great that you and your collegues are working towards this EES, and hopefully the public will eventually come to understand that evolution goes beyond, but does not neccessarily abandon the ideas of Darwin. <BR/><BR/>"....made much of the fact that the meeting is “private,” meaning that the public and journalists are not invited. This is completely normal for small science workshops all over the world,..."<BR/><BR/>Yes, this happens all the time in archaeology, where some of the top scholars dealing with a particular topic get together for a week to discuss in detail their respective work. Usually what results are some of the best edited volumes of research papers on those particular topics.Sheldonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03743116454273042629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-12950250675813988312008-07-02T18:55:00.000-04:002008-07-02T18:55:00.000-04:00Massimo, how long does it take you to write a post...Massimo, how long does it take you to write a post like this? Just curious :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03877117916846565598noreply@blogger.com