tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post114355544729092069..comments2023-10-10T08:02:18.073-04:00Comments on Rationally Speaking: What, no more Limbo?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143784924434921952006-03-31T01:02:00.000-05:002006-03-31T01:02:00.000-05:00"I'm sure your Dad was a good man- but not because..."I'm sure your Dad was a good man- but not because of religion"<BR/><BR/> I do feel deeply disappointed for persons who have had unjust fathers. That really should have been my lot in life. There is no doubt in my mind that a wicked father sets far bigger hurdles in front of his children to trust and believe that there is anything worthy or authentic to be believed in, especially if one cannot even form a trusting, or dependable relationship with the person to whom one should matter the most to.<BR/><BR/>That is a real issue, to be sure.<BR/><BR/>My natural parent's families were RCC, too. I marvel at the impact that the church has had on the a lot of world, and most of it has not been remarkably constuctive, either. It's nothing less in my mind than what Christ took issue with, with the Jewish religious people of his time. He said they were "white washed tombs": <BR/><BR/>'you look good on the outside, but on the inside, you're filled with dead man's bones.' ( a loose parphrase.)<BR/><BR/>So now that we know what the negative example of religion represents itself as, we can reasonably conclude that there must exist an authetic, postive one in contrast to it. <BR/><BR/>calAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143751048170269682006-03-30T15:37:00.000-05:002006-03-30T15:37:00.000-05:00Just out of curiosity, I wonder what John Paul wou...Just out of curiosity, I wonder what John Paul would say about this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143696793435960832006-03-30T00:33:00.000-05:002006-03-30T00:33:00.000-05:00Cal, I'm sure your Dad was a good man- but not bec...Cal, I'm sure your Dad was a good man- but not because of religion, belief in a supernatural or any of the other mumbo-jumbo floating around. He was a good man because of himself.<BR/><BR/>If it makes you feel good thinking that he "is in a better place" - ok. But don't ask the rest of us to accept that. <BR/><BR/>My Dad wwas ok too - when he wasn't drunk. He was also a lifelong Roman Catholic. Go figure.<BR/><BR/>My Mom was a beautiful and wonderful woman too, although she had her weaknesses as do all of us. She was not religious at all, but she was a far better person than my Dad. But when she died 33 years ago that was it. She exists only in the memories of those of us who knew and loved her. She isn't with Jesus or God or anything - she is gone except for the great memories<BR/><BR/>No gods , no masters, no claptrap. FinisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143695304240648792006-03-30T00:08:00.000-05:002006-03-30T00:08:00.000-05:00I just remembered another reason why it would be a...I just remembered another reason why it would be a shame not to have limbo anymore. When I'm explaining to my "normal" friends what is a postdoc, I always tell them it's to be in limbo: not a student anymore, but not a professor yet. Now, I don't know which one is heaven or hell there, but I sure know postdocs are not in heaven. Damn it...<BR/><BR/>JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143675623813850272006-03-29T18:40:00.000-05:002006-03-29T18:40:00.000-05:00Really, cal, I don't see your point. What does the...Really, cal, I don't see your point. What does the fact that you (and others) honored your dad at his funeral because he was apparently a "good man" have to do with anything regarding his "faith" - or beliefs at the end of his life? <BR/><BR/>Are you saying that atheists cannot be held in high esteem, treat people fairly, be loved, have no regrets, etc? <BR/><BR/>I find that most xtians believe that sentiment to be true, which is an unfortunate consequence of the brainwashing within the church. <BR/><BR/>As an aside, I find it hard to believe that anyone alive could really say that they have no regrets - but perhaps that's just me.<BR/><BR/>This is not intended to be a slam against your dad - so, please don't be offended - it's just your argument :-)<BR/><BR/>DaveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143646449228456102006-03-29T10:34:00.000-05:002006-03-29T10:34:00.000-05:00I don't know about that, dennis. just attended the...I don't know about that, dennis. <BR/><BR/>just attended the funeral of one of the finest men who ever lived. (my dad) And I think your position is going to be exceptionally hard to prove to someone who has lived their life close to someone who walked sincerely and authentically before God and other people. <BR/><BR/>Have you ever been to a funeral where there is no fear or regrets when it comes time to bury the loved one? That was the kind of experience that I had this week. <BR/><BR/>My dad had mentioned to me that he had been to funerals where atheists (or their children) were laid to rest, and that was a completely different situation.<BR/><BR/>We, otoh, had dozens of the hundred and some people attending my dad's funeral say it was one one of the most uplifting events they had been to. ??? Strange, huh. <BR/><BR/>At the end of life, beliefs do matter. <BR/><BR/>So there's something good about aspiring to be good,(i.e. having an upright heart) even if you are certain that there are hypocrites in the world. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I'm gonna really miss my dad, tho. He helped prop up my (so-called) 'left brain'. :)<BR/>calAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143605571985304682006-03-28T23:12:00.000-05:002006-03-28T23:12:00.000-05:00No gods, no masters, no limbo (or any of the rest ...No gods, no masters, no limbo (or any of the rest of that supernatural, mindnumbing claptrap. <BR/><BR/>You're born, you live, you die. FinisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143599261534831322006-03-28T21:27:00.000-05:002006-03-28T21:27:00.000-05:00Don't worry, NGA. There's always some ad hoc "expl...Don't worry, NGA. There's always some <I>ad hoc</I> "explanation". If there's none right now, it gets invented on the fly anyway.<BR/><BR/>JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143574590398215912006-03-28T14:36:00.000-05:002006-03-28T14:36:00.000-05:00Of course, the elephant-in-the-room question this ...Of course, the elephant-in-the-room question this situation raises is, Why did God let the Church believe Limbo existed in the first place?NGAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10298184467682996614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15005476.post-1143564902321585092006-03-28T11:55:00.000-05:002006-03-28T11:55:00.000-05:00The RCC has made provisional statements (that bec...The RCC has made provisional statements (that became church doctrine) down through time, that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible. <BR/><BR/>The Bible says that 'it is appointed unto man once to die...and then the Judgement.'<BR/><BR/>One would have to work unusually hard at thinking uncritically to misinterpret such a straightforward statement. <BR/><BR/>calAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com